Could you please discuss the context of your ’98 Acta
Crystallography D paper and why you think it’s so highly cited?
The paper describes the computer program that we developed over
the last almost eight years. It’s used for solving structures
based on X-ray diffraction data or solution NMR data. There are a
number of features of the program that make it so widely used.
First, it’s a major extension of the program we developed called
X-PLOR. That program, which came out in 1987, made use of a method
called simulated annealing to refine X-ray crystal structures. That
was really the first time a modern optimization technique was
applied to this problem of refinement. Before that had become
available it often took people years to refine crystal structures.
It was a manually intense process. When I introduced simulated
annealing to crystallographic refinement in my 1987 paper, that time
was significantly reduced and it had a tremendous impact in the
crystallographic community. X-PLOR also featured a technique to
cross-validate the model given the observed data, and that came out
in 1992. In about the mid-1990s, we decided to extend X-PLOR into a
complete system to solve structures, which then became CNS. X-PLOR
was limited to the step of refining crystal structures, which is the
step where one changes the model to get the best match with the
observed refraction data. CNS does everything from obtaining phases
from experimental data to molecular replacement phasing from known
homologous structures.
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We’re trying to bridge the gap of
crystallography on the one hand and cryo-electron microscopy on the other
hand.
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Another feature that we added to CNS is instead of writing
multiple programs with a rigid selection of input parameters, we
developed a flexible scripting language that is used to describe the
crystallographic procedures for phasing and refinement. It’s an
intervening step between a low-level source code, which at that
point was in FORTRAN, and the user. This concept was a novel one in
computer programming as applied to crystallography.
How would you characterize your general research area?
One, I’m still continuing methods development in structure
determination, which includes X-ray crystallography, and less so NMR
at this point. I’m also still trying to push the limits of
methods, particularly computational methods to handle difficult
problems. Right now that’s primarily for large complexes of
macromolecules, where diffraction data might be limited, and
membrane proteins, which are also often limited by resolution. We’re
trying to bridge the gap of crystallography on the one hand and cryo-electron
microscopy on the other hand. Both methods are beginning to converge
in a way. Cryo-EM typically starts at about 20 to 30 Å. Now there
are crystal structures that have been solved even at 4.7 Å
resolution. With both methods coming from opposite ends, we are
covering the mid-range of resolution, which is very important for
very large systems because of crystal quality and poor diffraction.
Secondly, over the past eight years we’ve moved into the
structural biology of proteins that are involved in
neurotransmission—in particular, proteins involved in synaptic
vesicle fusion that releases neurotransmitters, such as glutamate.
This is the step that occurs in the presynaptic neuron upon
depolarization. Neurotransmitters then bind to receptors on the
post-synaptic membrane. We’ve been focusing primarily on proteins
involved in this presynaptic process and have solved quite a few
important structures there. For example, in 1998 we solved the
structure of the SNARE complex—a heterotrimeric protein complex
involved in vesicle membrane fusion.
How long have you been working in this area and how did you
become interested in it?
As far as crystallography is concerned, I became interested in it
from the computational point of view through developing X-PLOR and
applying simulated annealing to solution NMR structure solution and
crystallographic refinement. It was roughly 1985 that I
became interested in that and I have been working on it since then,
and on the more biological application that we’re doing right now
since roughly 1995.
What were or are some of the greatest challenges in performing
your work?
Certainly these days the greatest challenges are large
macromolecular assemblies of complexes on the one hand and membrane
proteins on the other. The difficulties are primarily at the
biochemical end in obtaining diffracting crystals, getting stable
complexes that are suitable for crystallization, or finding
conditions under which they crystallize.
There are still computational challenges dealing with those
systems, especially if the crystals don’t diffract to a high
resolution. There’s also a more practical challenge when many
related structures are to be determined, in particular for rational
drug design based on crystal structures. The challenge there is
actually to do very fast, high-throughput structure determination.
The bottleneck is still the refinement part, despite the simulated
annealing procedure. It still requires a lot of manual intervention
and inspection of electron density maps. That’s not so much a
scientific problem, it’s more an artificial intelligence problem.
It’s really fascinating because a human being is so much more
efficient at recognizing features in these maps than a computer is,
and we haven’t been able to train a computer to do this,
especially at lower resolutions.
How rapidly has the state of knowledge in your field evolved in
the last decade and what were some of the key discoveries that
furthered that advancement?
If you look at the Protein Data Bank, there’s really been an
explosion of solved structures. It’s been almost an exponential
growth over the past 10 years, and it’s made possible by three
things. One, crystallographers have embraced molecular biology as a
tool to obtain recombinant protein, sometimes with various mutations
to obtain better crystals. Another major factor has been the
availability of synchrotron light sources to observe X-ray
diffraction data with unprecedented quality and also to be able to
easily change the wavelength of the X-ray radiation. This has made
possible what we call MAD phasing and it has revolutionized how we
solve structures. Third is computational development. The
availability of these improved refinement techniques and systems
such as CNS, which are a comprehensive approach to crystallography,
have made it easier to solve structures.
What is the implication of your work for the future of your
field and allied fields?
Where do you predict the state of knowledge in your field will be in
10 years?
Considering my two interests, computational methods development
and neurotransmission, with computational methods development, we
still hope we’ll make an impact by enabling people to solve more
difficult problems—such as limited data and very large molecules—than
we can at this point. In our neurotransmission interest, we hope
that knowledge of all these proteins and complexes and how they
interact with membranes will be the key to developing new
therapeutics to more selectively control neurotransmitter release,
which could be quite helpful for treating neurological disorders. At
this point, drugs are primarily targeted at the receptors and they’re
often nonselective and nonspecific.
What advice would you give to those entering a research career
in general?
In crystallography, I would say that this field is still alive,
despite all the efforts for high-throughput crystallography and
automation. There are always new challenges. It’s by no means a
dead field. It’s just different than it was 10 or 15 years ago.
The problems are just much bigger. For a doctoral dissertation it’s
now probably insufficient to simply solve one structure of a protein
domain; you also have to put it into some biological context or you
have to work on a more challenging structure. The bar is higher than
in the past, but then the tools make it much easier to solve a
structure.
My other recommendation is to have a multidisciplinary approach
and not just learn one technique. My own career has been maybe an
example where I started out in theoretical physics and mathematics
and switched to biophysics for my Ph.D. and then computational
chemistry and biochemistry. I like to use techniques from very
different disciplines and often the most exciting things happen when
you mix disciplines—for example when you use computational methods
to apply to biological problems. I think students should be broad-
rather than narrow-minded.
What would you like the general public to understand about your
work?
In the post-genome era, where we know the genomes from humans and
many other organisms, it’s important to realize that although
these sequences contain extremely valuable information, they don’t
tell us the whole story. They don’t tell us what these proteins
look like or how they interact, how they might change their
conformation, or how they might interact with their environment. All
this needs to be explored. We’re essentially working on this next
step—getting three-dimensional shapes for many of these proteins
and complexes.
Axel. T. Brunger, Ph.D.
Howard Hughes Medical Institute
Stanford University
Palo Alto, CA, USA