n
the interview below, in-cites correspondent Gary Taubes talks
with Ralph A. Bradshaw, the Co-editor of Molecular &
Cellular Proteomics. This journal has been singled out as a
Rising Star in
the field of Molecular Biology & Genetics, according to a
recent analysis of the
Essential Science Indicators
database. The journal’s current record in this field
includes 463 papers cited a total of 5,810 times. Molecular
& Cellular Proteomics is published by the American
Society for Biochemistry and Molecular Biology.
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When was Molecular &
Cellular Proteomics founded, and what prompted it?
It was started in 2001, and the first issue came out January 1,
2002. It’s published by the American Society for Biochemistry and
Molecular Biology (ASBMB), which also publishes the Journal of
Biological Chemistry (JBC), a rather substantial
pillar of the biosciences publishing community. The JBC is
the largest single biochemistry journal in the world. It was started
over 100 years ago. The JBC has done a lot of important
things in publishing. It was the journal that began the electronic
revolution. It spawned the HighWire Press, which publishes in excess
of 950 journals. The JBC was its first journal and its
electronic debut was a joint financial and intellectual effort of
ASBMB and HighWire Press.
I was Treasurer of the Society at the time that was going on and
I was intimately involved in all the discussions. I was also an
Associate Editor of the JBC. I know how they (ASBMB and
Stanford University and what eventually became HighWire Press)
worked closely together to make electronic publishing a reality in
the biosciences. While there were some previous electronic
publications, mostly in physics, I believe, this was the first
really established international journal in the biosciences that
went electronic. Needless to say, many publishers followed suit in
fairly rapid succession. Almost all journals still have print
versions but, slowly but surely, electronic versions are taking
over.
All of this is important background for Molecular &
Cellular Proteomics (MCP). After the substantial
successes in leading the pack of getting things into the electronic
world, the Society had a retreat in 2000. This was one of those
affairs with a lot of introspection, and one of the subjects we
discussed was our successes of not only making an electronic version
of the JBC, but also making the whole submission process
electronic—there’s no paper passing around in the submission or
review process—and we thought, "Now that we’ve got all this
technology, why not put it to good use?" There emerged a clear
notion that the Society should expand its publication activities.
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“We’re doing many things on the cutting edge of proteomics.”
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At the time, we (ASBMB) had just taken over the Journal of
Lipid Research, which had been around for nearly 50 years,
published by a small non-profit organization, but we thought we were
also in a good position to start a new journal of our own. The area
we agreed on was proteomics. We wanted to publish in the larger
spectrum of biochemical sciences, and we felt that this was an
up-and-coming field and one that, at that point in time, was quite
underserved, in terms of journals that were really interested
primarily in it. While people were publishing proteomic material in
other journals, including the JBC, there were essentially no
journals devoted solely to it in 2000.
So we made the decision to start the journal. Richard Hanson, who
was President of the Society at the time, asked me to get MCP started
and to eventually be Editor, largely because proteomics is part
of the larger field of protein chemistry, which I’ve been doing
for some 40 years. The Society moved very quickly after deciding to
do it, and having been an Associate Editor of JBC for 13
years, I was familiar with the entire scheme of electronic
publishing used by the ASBMB, which made me a logical choice.
Since you had this electronic infrastructure set up, did that make it
relatively inexpensive to start MCP?
The answer probably depends on who you talk to. If you talk to
the past treasurer, he’d probably throw up his hands, and say it
was not inexpensive at all. It was certainly cheaper than it would
have been if the JBC hadn’t provided the electronic
background. There was efficiency in the sense of economy of scale;
things were already in place that didn’t have to be done again.
But, that said, the Society has not reached a break-even point on
the journal yet.
Why not?
The problem is that building a subscription base of an absolutely
de novo journal is not easy to do. And unlike other journals
of this type, it’s not bundled with anything else. In other words,
ASBMB could say, if you take JBC, you take this too. They
have chosen not to do this. So it’s been an uphill struggle to get
subscriptions, particularly from libraries (ASBMB members get it
free as a membership perk). Many other journals, including our
principal competitors, are bundled. So even though we have a
higher impact factor and we’ve been the number one journal in our
field since we were rated, we still have a significantly lower
subscription rate.
How do you account for the high citation rate of MCP?
I think the quality of what’s in MCP drives citations.
At least, that’s the only explanation I can offer. We adopted
extremely high standards since day one. That’s a self-serving
statement, but I can tell you that it’s true. With my Co-editor,
Al Burlingame, we have from the get-go retained people as Associate
Editors, who we felt have high standards. As a result, we’ve been
very stringent in making sure, to the best of our abilities, that we
only publish good material, and I think it shows.
In the early days, there was always a struggle to get enough
manuscripts together to get an issue out. Back then, Barbara Gordon,
who was Director of Publications (and is now the Executive Officer
of ASBMB), would often plead with us because she needed more papers
to put together an issue and publish close to the cover date. And
certainly getting people to submit high-quality papers in the early
days of a journal was a challenge. But we did. In fact, Al and I
spent a good deal of our time going to proteomics meetings and, if
not badgering people to submit good papers, then at least constantly
trying to convince them that MCP would be a good place for
their work.
Were there any other particular editorial policies that also might
account for this?
I believe that the philosophy of this journal from the start has
had a very significant role in the number of citations. In the
proposal for forming MCP that we wrote for the ASBMB
leadership, we said we did not want it to be a repository; we wanted
it to be an active force in the development of this field. We feel
we’ve done that.
Can you give us an example?
We’re doing many things on the cutting edge of proteomics. We
took the lead in developing guidelines for publishing protein
identification data, particularly by tandem mass spectrometry. That’s
basically two mass spectrometers in a row—usually abbreviated
MS/MS. This technology drives a very high percentage of proteomics
work. Easily two-thirds of all the papers we receive at the journal,
in some way or other feature, or at least use, this approach.
Because of that, we recruited as Associate Editors some of the most
prominent people working with this technology—particularly Ruedi
Aebersold and Steve Carr. These two individuals, plus Al Burlingame
and myself, were the driving force to come to grips with this
central problem plaguing proteomics, namely errors occurring in
protein identification experiments.
Among other things, what people are trying to do with proteomics,
which they didn’t do with genomics or traditional protein
chemistry, is dissect and identify proteins in complex samples that
have hundreds or even thousands of proteins in them—and they use
this MS/MS technology to do so. The possibilities are fantastic and
it’s one of the reasons why everyone is so excited about
proteomics. People literally chop up whole livers, and then try to
identify as many proteins within this sample as they can. Nobody has
been able to do this before on this scale, but the problem is that a
lot of the identifications are just wrong. Thus the literature is
filling up with mis-identifications. Part of the problem is that
people have been over-extending the technology. One person
identifies 400 proteins; the next one wants to do 450. People have
been pushing the boundaries, and they’ve pushed it to thinner and
thinner degrees of reliability of the data. The problem has reached
crisis proportions. Significant papers were being published that
were full of errors. We decided that journals, as the gate-keepers
of this information, had to do something about the problem.
What exactly did you do?
We started with in-house guidelines, which were the first attempt
to tell authors that their papers had to contain certain kinds of
information so we can assess the reliability of what’s being
reported. When we released them (which we called the Carr Guidelines
because the formulating committee was chaired by Steve Carr), they
created a great deal of interest. Then lots of other people started
weighing in, and we realized we needed to expand them. The next step
was, under the auspices of the ASBMB, to hold a two-day meeting in
Paris, to which we invited about 60 people with a variety of
backgrounds, and maybe 30 showed up. Considering that most were
traveling on their own support, this was a pretty good turn out.
We had two days of discussion on the existing (Carr) guidelines
and we expanded and revised them, producing a new draft, which we
then circulated for three months to everyone we could think of,
including other proteomic journals, asking for feedback. Then this
same group of 30 people took the comments that had been received,
revised the guidelines, assembled them into a final set of rules,
and presented them at the Association of Biomedical Research
Facilities meeting in Long Beach this past February. As far as MCP
is concerned, these now must be fulfilled by any submissions to
our journal. If you send a paper to us with this kind of data, you
must comply with these guidelines.
Are other journals using these guidelines, as well?
We have not tried to assess to what extent these have been
adopted by other journals. We sent them to the other proteomics
journals (including ones that only publish such papers occasionally)
with the suggestion that they might wish to consider them as
possible guidelines, wholly or in part, for their journals. We
believe that they address important issues and we feel it’s very
important to tighten up the proteomics literature.
This is an illustration of the kind of things this journal has
done so that we would not be just a repository of information and
why we see ourselves as an active force in helping this field to
develop.
Has MCP lived up to your expectations?
It takes a year or two before you even have an impact factor and
can judge how you’re doing. Our first impact factor was 8.3, and
we were enthusiastic about that. The next year it went up to 9.6,
which was a nice rise. Last year, it went up to 9.9. We just missed
10—I would have loved it to have been 10 but we didn’t quite
make it. Nonetheless, we feel these numbers are a good achievement
for a young journal.
Moreover, most journals have a high component of review articles
which often accumulate a great deal of citations. We publish
relatively few review articles. Almost all of our papers are
research or technology articles. The latter are not methods papers
but have to describe some significant advance in an aspect of
technology that supports and is key to some area of proteomics. We’re
not looking for someone who changed the buffer of a two-D gel so
that the response is somewhat clearer. Our technology papers have to
be the kind of improvements that are considered to be major steps in
the development of the methodology. There are always things that you
feel that you can do better but I would say that, overall, MCP
has performed as well or better than we had hoped when we set it up
5 years ago.
In the early days of MCP, when you were going to the proteomics
meetings trying to convince people to publish in a brand-new journal,
what would you tell them?
Most people would ask me immediately what the impact factor was.
I would say, "We don’t have one yet; we’re too young,"
and I would then say, with a smile on my face, "I’m sure it
will be good when we have one." And that turned out to be the
case. So what else would I say to them? I’d say, "This is an
up-and-coming journal that really wants to support the field of
proteomics. Since your career is now strongly tied to the
development and growth of proteomics, you should support this. And
you should support it because this will become a principal journal
in your field." Enough people believed that that we got good
papers and that in turn made MCP a success.
At the same time, a lot also has to do with the credibility of
the people involved. Our Associate Editors and Editorial Board were
and are well known in the field of protein chemistry and proteomics.
They were all hand-picked, and have included an international
spectrum of people from both industry and academia. I also think
that the prestige of the ASBMB as a quality publisher was a major
plus for us.
What was your acceptance rate at the beginning and has it changed
significantly as the journal has become established?
It was always less than 50%. Right now, it’s around 30 to 40%.
It hasn’t changed enormously, believe it or not. I guess that’s
because our standards haven’t really changed. You can’t keep a
good impact factor if you publish poor papers. I did an interesting
analysis you might be curious about. About six months to a year ago,
I was wondering whether our high impact factor was due to a handful
of papers being cited hundreds of times and the rest not cited at
all, or whether the citation pattern was more evenly distributed. My
view was that if it was the former, we were walking on a tight rope.
If some year we didn’t publish such high impact papers, then the
impact factor would likely tumble. I was surprised to find that in
the first three years of publication, we had only one or two papers
that weren’t cited at all. We had papers cited 70, 80, 90 times,
but virtually every paper published had at least one citation. So
the answer was we were being cited fairly uniformly across the
board.
Are there particular journal issues or scientific issues in the field
of proteomics that you want to address in the next few years?
One of the issues that we have wrestled with, and that we’ve
yet to come up with an answer for, is how to deal with raw data. We
are participating in a beta experiment at the Broad Institute at
MIT, where some raw data has been posted to see whether or not
people want to go into the files and interrogate them to find new
things. Typically, when people collect large data sets, they analyze
a portion of it, write the paper, and publish it. Much of the raw
data is never used. By posting the raw data so that other people can
interrogate it, may allow some one else to get something out of it.
Since the beginning, proteomics has been characterized by large
data sets and big experiments. The idea is how do we capture more of
this data for the same amount of money? It’s quite clear that the
raw data cannot be part of the journal. Even with electronic
versions, it’s not feasible—these data sets run to gigabyte
size. We have to figure out how this can be set up, correlated with
our journal or others and still accessible to the public. I predict
we’ll solve that problem. When we do that, I think we’ll see
some interesting new analyses based on some already analyzed data.
We’re also continuing to assess our guidelines. We’ve now
become interested in setting up guidelines for clinical proteomics
papers. We have always been interested in publishing articles in
this area and we have had a clinical proteomics advisory committee,
composed of practicing physicians still active in doing research,
since early on. As with MS/MS data, there are major problems
associated with papers in clinical proteomics. For example, somebody
isolates a tumor, chops it up, measures the proteins in it, and
wants to publish it. But it’s an n=1. It’s not reproducible, by
definition. These and many other problems are real issues in
clinical proteomics.
So Julio Celis, one of our Associate Editors, who is head of the
Danish Cancer Institute in Copenhagen, is setting up an
international committee, and we’ll do the same thing we did with
the MS/MS issue—hold a workshop, draft guidelines, and then take
the lead in promulgating them. The problems are different in many
cases to the ones dealt with by the protein identification group,
but they’re problems we think we can handle. This is the kind of
thing that will help the field develop further. Obviously clinical
proteomics will remain a big part of the proteomics lure. The
applications are very attractive. There is a need to get better
biomarkers, better diagnostics, and eventually better treatments and
proteomics will certainly play a role in these developments. MCP
clearly plans to continue to play a significant role in reporting
these types of findings.
Molecular & Cellular Proteomics
Ralph A. Bradshaw, Co-editor
American Society for Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, publishers
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most-cited paper with 259 cites to date: |
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Anderson NL, Anderson NG, "The human plasma proteome—history, character, and diagnostic prospects,"
Mol. Cell. Proteomics 1(11): 845-67, November 2002. |
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