How do you account for Carnegie Mellon's
citation impact in the field of Psychiatry/Psychology over the past
decade?
The psychology department at Carnegie Mellon
has always had a strong group of researchers interested in cognitive
science—encompassing domains such as information processing,
problem solving, and artificial intelligence. Many of the faculty
that founded the department helped to found the fields of cognitive
science and artificial intelligence. Given this history, it is not
surprising that part—a large part—of our impact on the field, as
reflected in number of citations, derives from our work in the area
of cognitive science.
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“The juxtaposition of the symbolic and PDP views has created a certain amount of intellectual tension within the department over the years, but the tension has been welcomed (even relished) by all and has had a positive impact on the quality of work that gets done, in both camps.”
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This is just a small part of the story,
however. Our scientific impact has been enhanced by at least three
other noteworthy events. First, historically the kind of cognitive
science that was done within psychology had to do with higher-order
mental events—emphasizing symbolic processing of information and
executive functioning. About 20 years ago, a very different way of
thinking about cognition and behavior began to emerge. This new
approach provided a direct challenge to the traditional way of
thinking about cognition, and it revolved around the operation of
what was called a parallel-distributed processing (PDP) system. The
idea was that cognitive and behavioral phenomena could be understood
and predicted from a system that consisted of low-level,
interconnected pathways. These pathways could excite or inhibit each
other. They were also sensitive to inputs coming from the
environment, and so could learn from that incoming information as
reflected in the manner in which the pathways developed and operate
over time.
Is
this how the brain is supposed to work?
The idea is to account for cognition in ways
that keep in mind the neurological basis of the brain. So these
systems reflect or represent neural networks. They take a very
simple, basic unit and link them together in various ways into
pathways, and the interaction of these basic units gives rise to the
complexity that leads from cognition and thought to decision making
and higher-order reasoning. They start with a basic unit, and
demonstrate through various models and simulations how these systems
can give rise to very complicated behavior.
How
did this work fit or coexist with the information processing approach
pioneered by Herb Simon and Alan Newell, who were founding members of
your psychology department?
This whole information-processing approach
was using the computer as a metaphor for how people think. That
approach was top-down, thinking about higher-order thought and how
that evolved. This PDP idea starts from the lower end, from basic
units that reflect how the brain is organized; single neurons
projecting to other neurons. They’re trying to describe the same
phenomena but from very different theoretical perspectives.
There was much discussion of what to do
about this upstart PDP approach among the faculty within psychology.
The answer was very creative. Rather than keep the opposition at a
distance, invite them in. Hire the best person who represented this
emerging view and interact with him/her on a day-to-day basis, if
nothing else but to keep track of what the devil was up to. The
department was fortunate enough to make good on this strategy and we
did hire a top person working in the area. The department now has a
number of faculty who utilize a PDP framework. The juxtaposition of
the symbolic and PDP views has created a certain amount of
intellectual tension within the department over the years, but the
tension has been welcomed (even relished) by all and has had a
positive impact on the quality of the work that gets done, in both
camps.
When
did the PDP idea appear in the department and start generating papers
and citations?
In the mid-1980s, which is reflected in the
citations. The reason why this department is cited so heavily is
that it is full of very bright creative people. All of them. If you
had one or two, it would not be a citation impact institution. We
can describe how these themes emerge, but unless you have all really
good people working with those themes, you’re not going to get the
citations. The bottom line is you get so many citations because you
have more than your share of bright, creative, hard-working people.
How does that work? Who knows? You start off with a group like that
and it attracts, like magnets, other people of the same quality.
So
how does this synchronicity between these two schools of cognition
evolve within the department? Tell us about this intellectual tension.
The ultimate goal was to provide a better
understanding of human cognition. Each side more or less challenges
the other with their own findings. And right now there is almost an
equal number of PDP people and higher-order processing people in the
department. And they coexist quite nicely together. One will
identify a finding that seems hard to explain in other terms, and
they will all then try to come up with an explanation consistent
with their own way of doing things. It keeps everybody honest. You
don’t know if your worldview is distorted if everybody shares that
worldview. Only if somebody starts challenging it do you think maybe
you have to think about it. So this diversity within the department
allows for this kind of challenge. Once again, it creates a kind of
intellectual tension that in turn creates a lot of energy in a
positive way.
You
mentioned other factors that contributed to the remarkable citation
record of your department. What are those?
Another event that influenced our rate of
citations was a transition that occurred within the
social/personality area of the department of psychology 20-some
years ago. Even further back yet, Carnegie Mellon made a conscious
decision that, given the small size of the university, it would not
try to cover all disciplines and all domains—as a large state
research university might. Rather it would try to develop small
pockets of excellence. During the early 1980s, the
social/personality area was characterized by work on social
cognition—the application of a cognitive-science framework to
understanding social processes and phenomena. This theme had been
chosen in order to play off of the psychology department’s
strength in cognitive science. For a variety of reasons, this foray
into social cognition just didn’t work. And so the department
decided to move the social/personality area into an entirely new
direction—toward what’s known as health psychology.
Why
health psychology?
First, the then-head of psychology had an
interest in health policy and thought a move in the direction of
health psychology would add an important dimension to the department’s
activities. Second, several members of the department were already
beginning to move their own research agendas in a health psychology
direction.
Finally, there was a movement afoot at the
University of Pittsburgh to develop their own presence in the health
psychology domain. By developing an alliance with the emerging
health psychology group at the University of Pittsburgh, the
department of psychology at CMU might be able to leverage that
association into a critical collective mass large enough across
institutions to attract other high-quality researchers of interest
into the local community. For these reasons, the decision was made
here to go after one of the top researchers in health psychology in
the early 1980s. This effort was successful and that person remains
a member of the department and also one of the most-cited
contributors to the field. With this early acquisition, the
department was able to hire several other outstanding health
psychologists over the years, resulting in the establishment of a
world-class program.
Some
of CMU’s highly cited papers in psychology/psychiatry are from the
Department of Social and Decision Sciences. How do they come into the
picture and interact with your department?
This is another event that helped to shape
CMU’s success in the field of Psychology/Psychiatry: the creation
of the Department of Social and Decision Sciences and within that
department the development of a cadre of researchers interested in
decision-making and risk assessment. This was another part of the
university’s effort to develop "pockets of excellence"
and to build in areas in which it has a competitive edge. Work on
decision-making and risk assessment shares a broad border and
considerable overlap with work being done in cognitive science. So
the creation of the new department and the decision to build in the
areas that it did was not totally coincidental. The group of
research scientists at CMU studying decision-making and risk
assessment is first rate and has contributed much to the scientific
impact that the university has had.
Has
there been an institution-wide policy toward collaborative research
and publications that has fed into this citation impact?
Yes, very, very strong, both within the
Humanities and Social Sciences College and across the university.
This university has always prided itself on the collaborative
arrangements made. And Pittsburgh is a very interesting place in
that light, more generally. We have these two institutions here—CMU
and the University of Pittsburgh—and not only do collaborations
occur within the institutions but across institutions. I can’t
think of any other institutions, so close together, that are so
collaborative.
Among
the list of highly cited papers from your institution, are there
particular areas that seemed to stand out disproportionately?
Not really. The main papers are from
cognitive science, and that’s partly because it’s the oldest
tradition represented in the department, but that group also
comprises the largest number of faculty members. We have 25 faculty
members, and the cognitive-science group is probably three quarters
of us. Only about 20 to 25 percent are faculty in
social/personality/health psychology. So we’re most cited in
cognitive science, but it’s also clear that the
social/personality/health area contributes enormously to the
citation impact of the department. At least three of the most-cited
papers are from folks in this social/personality/health area. This
place will always be strong in cognitive psychology, given its
history and other themes throughout the university. But moving into
the health psychology area, or trying to orient the
social/personality group to health psychology in the early 1980s,
really helped add to our impact.
Is
it hard to compete for the people you want with such a small
department?
Sure. But, as I said, the university has
dealt with this in part by creating what they call "pockets of
excellence." They don’t try to cover all bases, only the
bases they think they will be good in. Then you try to build on
those areas in various parts of the university. So if somebody
happens to work in an area that we have strength in, then we’re
very competitive. But there will always be people we might want to
hire, who won’t be interested in coming here because there’s not
a critical mass in that area and so they won’t be comfortable.
With
all this emphasis on having a critical mass in any one area, it sounds
as though the faculty of your department must be a very closely knit
group?
It’s a very social department. Routinely
groups of five, six, seven people are going to lunch together every
day. People come from all our three main areas, developmental,
cognitive, and social/personality/health. Everyone knows what
everyone else is doing. People socialize a lot together. There was a
work ethic established here a while ago by some of the founding
faculty in the department that continues to permeate the place.
There’s a little circular stairwell in the department. On the top
is a stained glass window, and there’s a quote on it from Andrew
Carnegie: "My heart is in the work." It really sums up
this place.
What
do you see as the themes of the future relevant to the kind of
psychology/psychiatry research pursued by your department?
It’s clear that one major thrust, which
has already begun, involves the integration of cognitive science
with neuroscience. There’s an interest in developing an ever
deeper understanding of the neural basis of cognition; figuring out
how neurological structures at various levels of complexity and
integration give rise to emergent psychological functioning.
Specification of such structure/function relationships will help to
understand how the brain works, but will also help in the
development of applications like prosthetic devices of various sorts
that might enhance the functioning of people with different
disabilities. It is clear that the field of cognitive science will
assume an increasingly greater neuroscientific flavor as time goes
on. Down the road, it will be necessary to have access to the
relevant methodologies (magnetic resonance imaging techniques, for
instance, or single-cell recording methods) that allow this
integration to occur. In this regard, it’s worth noting that not
only is CMU a citation leader in the Psychiatry/Psychology domain,
but in the domain of Neuroscience & Behavior as well.
One final comment here is the importance of
interdisciplinary research. The hot areas of research today
necessarily involve participation of individuals from very diverse
backgrounds. As I just noted, the evolution of cognitive science is
giving rise to increasing interactions between cognitive
psychologists and neuroscientists, with contributions from computer
scientists and people working in robotics as well. Work in health
psychology requires the collaboration of psychologists, physicians,
immunologists, pulmonary specialists, and so on. To be at the
cutting edge of research seems to demand diverse interdisciplinary
input from many sources. And so universities will have to have the
flexibility to incorporate structures into their organizational base
that provide for and facilitate such cross-disciplinary work. One
route that CMU is pursuing is the increasing reliance on centers
that integrate work being done in diverse departmental units.
Whatever the solution, it’s clear that interdisciplinary research
is here to stay. Universities, in order to be intellectually
successful in the future, will have to have some way of embracing
that interdisciplinarity.
Dr. Michael Scheier
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA, USA